Monday, November 8, 2010

Proof Timothy is a false prophet, and a fraud.

Hello everyone, I made this blog as a resource of information to educate, and turn people away from the false evil doctrine of Its a cult. And it needs to be stopped. Timothy (Speed rathbun) And his wife Amy, along with a Jayse, and trent claim to be prophets.

Before I begin let me share with you these verses.

2 cor 11:14-15)  14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

(gal 1:cool 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

(1 Peter 5:cool
8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

(2 Corinthians 2:10-11) 10 When you forgive this man, I forgive him, too. And when I forgive whatever needs to be forgiven, I do so with Christ’s authority for your benefit, 11 so that Satan will not outsmart us. For we are familiar with his evil schemes.

(1 timothy 4  1-16)
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
6If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
7But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
8For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
9This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
11These things command and teach.
12Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
13Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
14Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
15Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.
16Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

So basically guys theres decieving spirits, telling people there "prophets" ect.. ANd there are people out there falsesly interprating scripture decieving people.

-This verse tells you what happens to them and there followers. Those who call upon the name of the lord shall be saved and led only into truth, and the Lord willd efend them from this stuff. Cults and stuff damn people by falsely telling them there saved and teaching false doctrine"

Mat 7:21-23)
21 Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?"
23 And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness."

"Prophecised" "cast out demons" "worked wonders" Sounds like righteous people huh? Or they thought..

I am James Thomas, they kicked me off there site and skype bible studies 2 days before I made a fake account as a girl. Timothy told me when I requested to join the skype bible studies called "The lords banquet table" He said the Lord said "Let her come join my table" The Lord is all knowing and would never make a mistake to let a Guy that had every intention of accusing him as a false prophet in the middle of there studies by revealing my self join. he either is a complete fraud. Or has serious mental illness. I was burdened by the holy spirit to bring him down, I didnt believe him to be the real deal once.

This should be proof enough by his errors from the lord he spoke of. (Or demon in him..)

But I will compile tons of info regarding him and his false system. I will have scriptures countering his false doctrines, Commentarys throughout, Letter reviews and commentarys countering them as false. A little bit of everything.

First. let me go over some of his letters.

Timothy said he will "be made a god among men" This is pure blasphemy. Satan had the same ambition. (somewere in the middle youll find it)

Timothy, write as I speak...

Kathy, the words given to Timothy, and to My servant, Paul, are The Word of God, and are therefore beyond question!... To do so is to deny The Lord, your God.

~~So this is saying if we question the letters is denying our Lord? classic cultish scare tactic~~

Parable of the End Times
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8/3/04 From God The Father and Jesus The Christ, Our Lord and Savior - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

[God The Father] The fig tree leaves are dropping... The time of His return/coming/choosing draws near.

[Jesus The Christ] Timothy, picture a fig tree in your mind... How do you see it?

[Timothy] I see it in Fall, as the leaves are drying up and falling to the ground.

[Jesus The Christ] The leaves of the tree represent two separate aspects of the end of days. As the sand of the hourglass, so are the leaves. As the nations fall away from Me, so also do the leaves fall from the light to the ground, fall and wither... So too will the nations.

The “time of His return” is when I return for My Bride and Church. The “time of His coming” is when I come in power and great glory, and every eye shall see Me. The “time of His choosing” is when I take My judgment seat.

At sunset, yet one more nation has fallen from Me... Far from Me have they fallen. The nations are eight and eighty... Eight have fallen; eighty will fall before The Son’s return. Of these nations, two will return and stay true, before My coming... The country in which you live and the nation of Israel.

Listen to your wife for she has wisdom, wisdom for reaching farther and deeper than she knows... A gift from God is the wisdom she owns.

~~This is what I wanted to question...At sunset, yet one more nation has fallen from Me... Far from Me have they fallen. The nations are eight and eighty... Eight have fallen; eighty will fall before The Son’s return. Of these nations, two will return and stay true, before My coming... The country in which you live and the nation of Israel.....So August 3, 2004 at sunset a nation fell? Is that what that is saying? If so can someone find out if a nation fell? Also it says that eight had fallen at that time and that eighty more will fall before Jesus' return? And two will return and stay true...the USA and Isreal....So that means that we both fall and then return? I don't know a lot about this and was hoping someone else could explain it?~~

Blessings be upon you, Timothy...

You have to be born, again and again, until My Son presents you to Me clean.

~~Saying he has to be born again and that biblical? Do we have to be born again and again? Id that what scripture says?~~

All things, you now seek, you will find in Me, for I have put this in you to do. Ask of Me any question, and I will answer in both your heart and through the mouth of My servant, Timothy, your husband.

~~So we can now go to Timothy and ask Timothy questions and then he will ask God and then God will put the answers in Timothy and then Timothy will get back to us? Doesn't the bible say that Jesus Christ is the ONLY mediator between us and God?~~

You will know a person’s heart when you meet them, whether they are of evil or of good... Even if they know and love Me, or love Me not.

~~Doesn't the bible teach us that ONLY God knows our hearts? This was a letter given to Timothy for his wife. So God is telling her that she now too will be able to do what only God has been able to do so far and know our hearts right when she meets someone?~~

Dream of the End of Days & Interpretation
From Letters From God and His Christ
Volume 1 > Dream of the End of Days & Interpretation

8/15/04 Timothy’s Wife’s Dream of the End of Days

Inside the building, there are alot of people, including myself. I am not sure what everyone else is doing, but I am trying to be romantic with a man. I do not have anyone I know with me, nor do I know the man. I walk outside, and all of the air is filled with ribbons of color, as if I had stepped into a rainbow, although the colors were all muted because of the dust blowing. There was alot of dust blowing in the air and alot of wind. There were many people outside the building, wondering what was going on, looking confused. The building itself was large, several stories and rather ominous looking from the outside. (Not scary, but looming and large). Far off in the distance, the sky is split in a V-shape or just starting to crack. The crack is filled with waves of dark blue water.

8/17/04 From God The Father - The Interpretation of the Dream, Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

This dream, the dream bestowed on your wife, is that of the end of days.

The tall structure is that of this present, evil world... It will soon fall... But these, who will come to Me, must first come out of her. The wind is the wind of change, leading to their salvation; the colors, those of The Son, which will surround My people in those days.
The division of the sky is that of rebirth. In that day, heaven will open, and I will pour out My judgments on all those who remain, in rivers of running water which no one can escape. It will be as a flood flooding the entire earth, until no trace of evil is upon the face of the earth. Then shall the earth be clean and My Kingdom descend from Heaven to earth.

Take this dream to heart, Beloved, so you too will know when the time of My coming is near, at the door. Blessings be upon you, My child.

~~I have an issue about the part she is trying to be romantic with a man....first why would God give her a dream with her commiting adultry on her husband? and second why isn't that part of the dream interpeted?~~

9/1/09 From God The Father - A Letter Given to Jayse, For Jayse, and For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

Hear the words of The Most High: Do not doubt My voice within you! I have chosen you to be My mouthpiece. Though many around you doubt My words, yet you shall not doubt. Come to Me in complete abandonment, forsaking yourself fully, and watch Me establish you… A mere boy made a prophet of the Most High God, a faithful witness of YahuShua HaMashiach, Yeshua THE Messiah, yes, Jesus THE Christ! You will bring glory to My name and do many miracles before My people, yet not of your own power or will, but by the power of God working in and through you, according to the command of My Only Begotten Son, Jesus The Christ, by whom you have been redeemed, cleansed and made worthy… And now filled. You WILL bring glory to My name!
My son, in you I am well pleased. Though you are still a mere babe, soon you shall be filled with the Lord’s portion, and those around you will come to not recognize you, for the old man, which you still carry, shall be no more... And you shall be reborn by the Spirit of God, once again! Then, you will no longer be that babe who is, at present, unheard. You shall become a man, whose voice does not cease from speaking the Truth of Who I Am! Amen. The Lord has spoken.

~~"You will bring glory to My name and do many miracles before My people"
Theres hardly anyone that knows this Jayse guy and anyone know if he has performed even one miracle in the past yr? lol NOPE! none reported fellas!~~

[Jesus The Christ] Fear not, I am with you always... I, your beloved Savior, whom you called beautiful and most precious Lord, though I was covered in the blood of redemption before your eyes.
Everywhere do you see beauty and know the hand of My Father. Even as a boy did you aspire to know and be like Me. Then, as you grew older, did the evil one tempt you, with your earthly father leading you far from Me... Never did I leave you. Even then did I set you apart from your brethren, and from your very siblings, to do My will. Search your heart... Have you not always longed for Me, all of your days? Search your past and you will find, you have always foreseen the day, in which you would do God’s will... His works through you.

~~(Didn't Timothy say that he had never been to a church, read the bible or prayed or whatever? in volume 1 at the first of his letters he said he was an unbeliever!!! this is a contradiction.) ~~
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11/14/04 From God The Father - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

Regarding Lyn and her visions of demons and spirits: Lyn asked if her visions were “lost souls” who needed help, and if she should rebuke the “bad ones”.

[Answer from God The Father] Woe, I say to you... Demons are not to be trifled with! There is only One to which all and complete authority over demons belongs, Christ Jesus. For those who do not carry Christ Jesus with them, and within their heart, are in grave danger and will be overtaken by demons. There are those who are chosen of God, who may rebuke demons in Jesus’ name, but only to those it is given. And it is not of their authority, but Christ Jesus’ authority, and His comes from The Almighty.
You are one of the chosen to whom, in the Day of Troubles, it will be appointed unto you to accomplish such things as these. Yet as for your sister, she is most certainly not called unto this position, the position of the repudiation of demons, for her situation is both real and imagined. She sees and hears things of her own making, but these imaginings are put forth and made manifest by the evil one and his minions, to keep her from the Truth, for she knows not her path and so she stumbles recklessly into destruction. For their way, that of evil, is a leading away from the Truth, which is the Word, and The Word am I. She is at war with herself, for her sin is still with her, attached to her as a leech attaches to the skin to take blood... Her blood, which is her very life. So too are her false visions, given her of the evil one, like leeches, for they too will eventually bleed her faith to death.

~~~According to this letter God warns us not to rebuke demons or whatever and that He has only given certain ones the ability to rebuke demons through the authority of Jesus. And I think hes rambling about his family history of mental illness a bit here.~~~~

Letter on the site Regarding dietary and prayer schedule.

6. Pray three times per day... Upon waking, at midday, and prior to sleep.

7. Cleanse your body, for if your body is not in health, how can your mind be? They are of each other in this life. Eat mostly fruits and grains and plants of the earth. Eat not that which is unclean... Eat no pork, nor anything which is not made by God. Increase your water intake seven-fold, and drink only purified water or that which has been distilled. Eat meat in moderation, for meat is good, created for man by God, but man has contaminated it. Also, take and eat of the seed of the flower flax, two large spoonfuls per day. Also, put aside money for supplements, for your body is in dire need of many vitamins and minerals. Timothy can guide you in this.

~~Apparently theres new dietary guidelines that God changed his mind about from the new testament, and also God came out with a prayer plan lol~~


Ok now for a little commentary-

Why do all people claiming to channel/speak for "god" use such stilted and cumbersome dialog?

"Do not Tarry!"

Please. I doubt that was used much since the 1700s.

Why does a "god" so powerful and great need to speak like he/she is regurgitating pablum from the King James Version of the Bible?

Why would a "god" speaking through a "prophet" in today's world not use the accepted language of the time?

There was one other "prophet" who did the same, spoke like he was regurgitating crap he read in the KJV...Joseph Smith who started the Mormons.

Do any of you believe that YHWH would speak using antiquated language? Pretty lame for an "all knowing 'god'".
Timothy regards the passion of the christ as "The move of gibson" Lol....

He preaches the doctrines of "Soul sleep- were u sleep in ur grave till Jesus comes back" Also he preaches "Hell is not eternal"  Classic demonic teaching.


Let me address this with scriptures.

In the New Testament we see Paul say in 2 Cor. 5:8, "we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord."  Paul is clearly telling us that when he dies, he will go and be with the Lord.  Furthermore, at the Transfiguration of Jesus (Matt. 17:1-8) we see Moses and Elijah who were alive.  There was no soul sleep with them.

A promised was made to the converted dying thief by Jesus when he was on the cross (Lk. 23:42).  “Verily I say unto you, today shalt thou be with me in Paradise.”  Some claim this is not correct in its punctuation and the comma should be before the today as if Jesus is meant “today I'm saying this to you.” But there are no commas found in the Greek writing to give weight to this. Besides Jesus is answering the thief  who was asking to remember him when he comes into his kingdom. This would mean Jesus went into soul sleep as well.  Did Jesus lie when he said to the thief today you will be WITH ME in paradise? For if either Jesus or the thief went out of existence then his statement was not true. Then the question is who was resurrected?

Then those who hold to the deity of Christ and soul sleep at the same time have to really stretch the Scriptures. For it was Jesus who said in Jn.2:19 He would raise up his own body, an impossible task to do if you no longer existing after death. For the Scripture states after he died he went and proclaimed his victory to the spirits in prison who were there since the time of the flood (1Pt.3:19-20).

Jesus meant that very day he and the thief would be united together in paradise otherwise there is no significance to the statement if it is left to some unknown future time.

Abraham's bosom (Paradise) is no longer located in the earth as it was in the Old Testament prior to Christs ascension.

We find that Jesus descended into the earth, for 31/2 days, preached to them, then brought paradise up to heaven. There were souls there in hell and in paradise. NOT SLEEPING.

Onto hell.

The teaching that there is an eternal hell in which hordes of mankind will suffer eternal punishment can be a difficult doctrine to accept.  We hear so much about God's infinite love and how He desires that all men be saved (1 Tim. 2:4).  However, those who develop their theologies based upon the "gentle" side of God do so with an incomplete picture.  Not only is God loving (1 John 4:8-10), gracious (Exo. 33:19; 1 Pet. 2:3), and merciful (Exodus 34:6; Psalm 67:1; James 5:11), but He is also holy (Isaiah 6:3; Rev. 4:8), just ( Neh. 9:32-33; 2 Thess. 1:6), and hates sin (Psalm 5:5-6; Hab. 1:13).  God punishes the sinner (Jer. 50:31; Ez. 44:12; Matt. 25:46; 2 Thess. 1:9; 2 Pet. 2:9; Heb. 10:29).
The Bible teaches that there is a fiery hell, a place that Jesus warned people about.
"And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire," (Matt. 18:8).1
Eternal fire is real.  Jesus said it was.  In fact, Jesus spoke a great deal about hell.  It is what Jesus came here to save us from.
There will be a Day of Judgment when all people will face God.  Those who are not covered by the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross will be cast out into hell where they will undergo eternal punishment.  "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life" (Matt. 25:46).   In this verse, the same word "eternal" is used to describe the punishment of the wicked as well as the eternal life of the believer.  The punishment is endless as is the eternal life of the believer.  That is why the gospel (1 Cor. 15:1-4) is so important, because it saves people from eternal damnation:
"Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,"
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life, (John 5:24).
Following are a few verses that show the eternality of the hell and punishment.  God uses different phrases to describe the same thing.
  • "And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power," (2 Thess. 1:9).
  • "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire" (Jude 7).
  • These men are those who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever," (Jude12-13).
Is "forever and ever" without end?
The phrase "forever and ever" is used both of describing God's eternal worth and the duration of eternal damnation.  The exact same Greek phrase is used in each of the verses in the table below.

forever and ever

aionas ton aionon
"ages of the ages"
Eternal - without endEternal Damnation
"Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen," (1 Tim. 1:17). ". . . To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever" (Rev. 5:13)."And a second time they said, "Hallelujah! Her smoke rises up forever and ever" (Rev. 19:3).
"And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever," (Rev. 20:10).

The Greek phrase "aionas ton aionon," which is translated "forever and ever," occurs 18 times in the Greek New Testament.  In 17 of them, the phrase means without end, extending into infinity.  In Rev. 19:3, the phrase is used to describe the destruction of the great whore of Babylon (Rev. 17:1,4) whose smoke ascends forever and ever.  It too is eternal and it signifies the beginning of the eternal judgment that comes upon her.
Also worth examining is  Rev. 14:11: "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
The Greek in Rev. 14:11 is only slightly different.  In the table above, "forever and ever" is translated from the Greek, "aionas ton aionon," which is literally "ages of the of ages."  In Rev. 14:11, the Greek is "aionas aionon" which is literally, "ages of ages."  In the latter, the single Greek word "of the" is missing.  But it is not necessary and does not change the meaning of the text.  Therefore, the scripture teaches the smoke of their torment goes up forever, without end.

Unquenchable Fire

Some believe that the fires of hell are symbolic and/or temporal.  But the following verses show that they are not.
Matt. 3:12 says, "And His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." (See also Luke 3:17.)
Mark 9:43 says, "And if your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire." The word "unquenchable" is "asbestos" in the Greek.  According to the enhanced Strong's lexicon, it means "unquenchable, the eternal hell fire to punish the damned."
The following citations are from Greek dictionaries and Lexicons.  They show that the word "unquenchable," which is "asbestos" in the Greek, (which occurs only in Matt. 3:12, Luke 3:17, and Mark 9:43) means unquenchable, without end.
  • "unquenchable, inextinguishable"2
  • "not quenched"3
  • "pertaining to a fire that cannot be put out" - "unquenchable."4
  • "unquenched, unquenchable"5
  • "that cannot be put out"6
  • "inextinguishable"7
Is hell eternal?  Yes it is.  Are its fires without end?  Yes they are.  Is it a pleasant doctrine to discuss?  Not really.  But, hell is real. This is all the more reason to preach the gospel.  Jesus said,
"And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire," (Matt. 18:8).

I rest my case your honor.

Ok now onto stories of people who have suffered from this affecting there families. You can almost feel the demonic activity taking place.

These will take a while to compile, and Im getting in letters from people as I type to add. But heres a few examples.

what are you doing for recovery? I go to wendy's support group, have several therapists, a prayer partner, a forum exclusively for ex cult members (very private), and a few friends. now i'm looking for a church to attend. i wonder what others are doing for recovery.

i have to be honest that i'm scared that trent will never exit. i don't understand fully why he didn't exit when our counselor took 2wks with him and usually it takes 4 days. our exit counselor says that because trent grew up in a cultic family & that he's doing what's normal. i still can't wrap my brain around that completely.

did your parents find rick ross cuz we started this thread or is all that a happen stance? also, how much $ did you give to timmy boy cuz we're about to file for bankruptcy and i know that a huge amt has gone to this cult.

i actually spoke with timmy over the phone last summer & he wrote a letter during our 2nd wk and told trent to stop the exit counseling. i feel that i failed. he should've exited. these are thoughts that i struggle with but they don't break me just nag.

i am afraid that trent's gonna be told to abandon me and i'm stuck with debt bills our business etc.

am i gonna have a success story sometimes i think why should i my life has been crap. sometimes i get down but i'm not very good with my emotions.

thnx so much for posting your story & thnx to michelle123! i'll write some more but it's so late i've gotta try and get some shut eye.
(from a forum, trents wife)

A response to her. There needing therapy..

My only venue for recovery right now is this forum and reading a book from Steven Hassan called "Combatting CULT MIND CONTROL", its a really good book if you haven't read it because it explains alot about cults and how they work to manipulate people and get control of thier mind. My family has been very supportive and I have a couple of close friends that I have begun talking to as well (after mending relationships). I am also in contact with my pastor from the church I used to attend and am planning to attend church again this Sunday ( which for me is a little nerve racking because I spent alot of time "trumpetting" to those very people but those that I have spoken to so far have been very understanding). Where I live there really aren't any cult therapy groups or any therapists experienced in helping former cult members so for now I'm just doing what I can with what I have and leaning on the Lord ALOT.

response 3

I'm so over all this nonsense... just tired of the crap every weekend, same old arguments, same quotes 'Do you believe ...blah blah blah' - and I was worried and going to go 'underground' as the 'trumpeter' in our house has announced that he knows of this site, but what the moderator says is true, people need to know that Timothy is a fruitloop and more people need to come forward and speak up about how his letters are destroying families and lives. Sorry if it sounds like rambling but it's just so obvious, and yet our loved ones don't see it....